CBS LA - KCAL via Yahoo News Given the fact that the technology used on Kelvin as we saw in it's encounter with Narada was very unlike the technology previously established in Star Trek. We expect all contributions in the Daystrom Institute to be thoughtful and constructive. Consider Data's head from Time's Arrow. Looks like you're using new Reddit on an old browser. REDDIT and the ALIEN Logo are registered trademarks of reddit inc. π Rendered by PID 11958 on r2-app-033b3304ad245143b at 2020-12-18 18:30:36.782791+00:00 running 38155e9 country code: PL. This means the continued existence of the original timeline is still intact. [–]BloodBrideEnsign 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children). With William Shatner, Leonard Nimoy, Joan Collins, DeForest Kelley. [–]JViz 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (2 children). the other kirk and spock wouldnt be there. In orbit around an unexplored planet, the USS Enterprise is on red alert as it passes through violent time distortions surrounding the planet. You alter events just by being there, though. How does that impact the question of "Can you visit alternate realities via time travel?"? No. But what if they go back and run into the other Kirk and Spock? Top News Videos for city on the edge of forever. There's some debate here on that score. No Crewman Daniels, or maybe a different Crewman Daniels entirely. If I go back in time and kill my grandfather before my father is conceived, in that new universe I will never be born. Maybe without the Temporal Cold War and Sphere Builders mucking things up, they end up having the resources to build some pretty kickass spaceships with bridges that look like Apple Stores. share. Sunken City on the Edge of Forever. Please use the search function or the Previous Discussions archive to see if a topic you want to discuss has been posted recently. Then the Guardian probably "corrects" the copied past so that Alternate McCoy can do what he did in the original), [–]gsabramCrewman 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child). This page is a gallery for images from Season Two's "City on the Edge of Forever (Flashbacks)". If it wasn't for the Borg ending up in the 22nd century Arctic, the Borg...wouldn't have ended up in the 22nd century Arctic. If the Primes aren't in 1930, then wouldn't the effects of the timeline's divergence start to happen (albeit in some small, unmeasurable way) in 1930, not 2233? We may never agree on a point of view of how time travel would work if it were real, but that doesnt mean we cannot enjoy the discussion. [–]philwelchCommander[S] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago* (3 children). If the Primes are still in 1930, this raises further questions: is it possible to time travel from one of the universes back into the shared portion of the timeline and then return down the other branch? 06/24/1998. While the event in the prime universe happens before the split, they don't exist in this universe TO go back in time. But for the first time round, dayum the story was good good. [–]Schmitty84Crewman 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children). 252. [–]JViz 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (15 children). [–]philwelchCommander[S] 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children), [–]ademnusCommander 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (2 children). Nigh-conclusive proof that "The Burn" is in no way related to Michael's last name. Only the ones that alter events. However, the changes that happen to the universe due to the Narada are not confined to points past 2233. It wouldn't be the first time that time travel involved a parallel universe. For all the events we know happen in the universe, the vast majority of them are pretty messy and disorderly. One million years ago, 0 used the Gua… To discuss the latest episode of Star Trek: Discovery, use the dedicated thread on the front page. Kirk, Spock, and McCoy Prime went back to the 1930s in the JJVerse, because at the time the JJVerse and the Prime-verse were the same universe. They would be in 1930. [–]feor1300Lieutenant Commander 6 points7 points8 points 7 years ago (0 children). Well, I'm not sure it works that way. If you then take a pump and pump water from the left fork into the river before the fork, then both forks of the river will be red, regardless ofthe fact that the pollution machine isn't on the right fork. And "City on the Edge of Forever" gives us the idea that sometimes we must sacrifice what we care about the most for the good of the universe. You can't, but you did; its a paradox. The Klingons that NuKirk and party encounters may have been part of that population. The same question applies for any episode or film where characters from the Prime universe time travel to eras before 2233. save hide report. I've always preferred the "iterative" theory. Use features like bookmarks, note taking and highlighting while reading The City on the Edge of Forever: The Original Teleplay. Every week Daystrom members nominate and vote on quality contributions. (Unless, say, the third movie is a reboot of that particular episode and the Alternate crew ends up at the Guardian of Forever. You go back in time and kill yourself as an infant. The ideas presented in the City on the Edge of Forever have been re-hashed so many times, it can make the episode seem less special to someone who grew up all of those re-hashes. For instance, if BroKirk and AngstySpock go back to 1930 Earth, could they take Kirk Prime and Spock Prime to the Abrams Universe? Log in or sign up to leave a comment log in sign up. The City on the Edge of Forever" has placed highly in many "best of" lists of Star Trek episodes. Who's to say the Arctic Borg in Enterprise are "from" the 24th century, when they only got there as a result of actions they performed in the 22nd century? Full Ep. One guy leaving one universe is entering another where is alternate counter part left from to go to another and so on. [–]philwelchCommander[S] 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (5 children). As such, their work and designs were so fundamentally altered that, instead of changing the timeline, they in fact ended up creating a completely alternate universe. Reposts are permitted, but the moderators reserve the right to remove topics that come up too frequently. All Hello, Sign in. [–]Kant_LavarChief Petty Officer 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children). [–]ademnusCommander -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (6 children). There was no NX Project, Warp 5 engines weren't seen until well after the Romulan War, which was fought using lasers and atomic weapons, instead of phase cannons and photonic torpedoes. These ranks are not meant for role-playing. [–]philwelchCommander[S] 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago* (0 children). A clip from Star Trek: The City on the Edge of Forever, of Kirk and Spock talking with the Guardian of Forever. TheoryThe City on the Edge of Forever, the Abramsverse, and a temporal paradox (self.DaystromInstitute), submitted 7 years ago * by philwelchCommander. It's technically not you, but since the universes are practically identical, does it really matter? [–]CaptainJeffLieutenant 10 points11 points12 points 7 years ago (2 children). And yet, from inside my helmet I heard music and laughter from some unknown source. We all know three dimensions, which we all see. I don't think it rules out predestination loops, I think it just means that the time travel exists in enough universes to effect many of them similarly. Time has to be taken as a whole. It depends on which universe you're in. Now, this is confused by the fact that physical matter from a future which can't exist ceases to exist when it passes the point where it's existence is no longer possible. As the ship plots its orbit, Montgomery Scott warns that the control circuits are threatening to overload. In the JJverse timeline. Lots of things in Enterprise happened because of time travel from the Prime universe, to the point where they would have a totally different mission otherwise. But then how do you resolve predestination loops? Before the great resets, Red Atmos 3 held on its surface many wonders-but none so great as the City on the Edge of Forever. Say I have a light on my desk. If you want to post a thread which is not a theory, analysis, or open-ended discussion prompt, you must contact the Senior Staff first to get permission. But any method of ruling Enterprise out of the prime universe also undermines some the entire fourth season (which is a collection of short arcs that show how the Prime Universe turned out the way it did, from smooth Klingon foreheads to the Soongs and Data to who T'Pau of Vulcan was) as well as the Arctic Borg predestination loop. I assume everyone is familiar with the classic TOS episode "[The City on the Edge of Forever]( )". That's seems even more complicated, it seems like an almost (dare I say it) Metaphysical question. 18 comments. They (possibly) do not interact with the Guardian of Forever, so they never travel back in time to 1930. Here's another, related possibility: maybe the reason Khan is different in STID is because, just like BroKirk is a totally different person from Kirk, BritKhan is a totally different person from Khan. Or could AngstySpock time travel through the past to the Prime Universe? In a special edition of Entertainment Weekly during the fall of 1994, "The City on the Edge of Forever" was ranked number one in a comprehensive listing of all 79 episodes. [–]JViz 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children). No Temporal Cold War, or maybe a different Temporal Cold War entirely. Next 50 results. "Fixing the timeline" type stuff has always sucked to me because it's the ultimate form of deus ex machina. Based on Starfleet's own rank system, you can select one of three divisions (Command, Operations, or Science) and earn pips as you move up in rank. In the ten episodes leading up to The City on the Edge of Forever, Coon has given us the Federation, the Klingon Empire, the Gorn and the Horta.He is one of the best world-builders ever to work on Star Trek, and one of the smartest and most wry writers to work on the original show.Fontana is the best character writer on the classic series. Saying this is the same universe as the Abramsverse has its own appeal. what you describe is a paradox. A freak accident leaves the South Park Elementary school bus teetering precariously on the edge of a cliff. tl;dr: Do what you want 'cuz a pirate is free. Instead I become some other guy's grandfather, but he's from a different universe. There is only one timeline, but it loops back upon itself in convoluted ways. It doesnt create an impossible situation, it simply fulfills history. But as you move forward from that point the possibilities start to narrow. [–]ademnusCommander 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (16 children). On the occasion of the 50th Anniversary of the launching of Star Trek – the Original Series, we are producing the FIRST-TIME-EVER, 8-hour Skyboat AUDIOBOOK, full-cast version of Harlan Ellison’s book THE CITY ON THE EDGE OF FOREVER. There is no protection from the void on Red Atmos, everything is exposed to the vacuum of space. Bots and novelty accounts will be banned on sight. It is lost to me, I fear. For the full-size versions of the images click on the thumbnails below. No, not as a sentient agency but rather what belongs in its timeline is in its timeline, and what doesnt goes away. Amazon.com: The City on the Edge of Forever. [–]BloodBrideEnsign 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children). Pretty shocking and riveting stuff here, even today, and the story wouldn't have been nearly as memorable had the episode sought a … I chased these distant shapes, chased them among the scarplines and surface cracks of meteorite impacts for miles. Descriptive titles are important because this is a text-only subreddit. What do you mean there's no you anymore? If you time travel forward in time 10 minutes, you're still there, you're just you from a reality that is identical, and an identical you has taken your place in your originating universe. Now, my personal theory, one developed after reading another thread here in the Institute, is this: During the events of Star Trek: First Contact, the Enterprise-E travels back in time and the crew reveals themselves and the presence of their ship to Zefram Cochrane and Lily Sloane. Star Trek The Original Series S01E28 The City On The Edge Of Forever. Then Nero causes it to loop back upon itself, and the JJVerse is spawned. Rendered by PID 11958 on r2-app-033b3304ad245143b at 2020-12-18 18:30:36.782791+00:00 running 38155e9 country code: PL. I always wanted a TOS crew movie going back to the City on the Edge of Forever portal. In Enterprise, some of the Borg from the sphere are discovered in the Arctic, where they promptly hijack a ship and take flight. I hold no sort of animosity towards you for having a different point of view. Eventually, we will get to the point where the JJVerse Nero is born, who will not grow up to destroy Vulcan. It would certainly be of interest to the Klingons, Romulans, etc. Worf's understanding of "honor" is colored by Western Earth values. It matters because there would be no me in the other universe anymore, just some dick from the first universe's future who showed up and killed some random guy. When a temporarily insane Dr. McCoy accidentally changes history and destroys his time, Kirk and Spock follow him to prevent the disaster, but the price to do so is high. 07/28/1999. And there's a clear-cut reason they would be: 1930 is before the two timelines diverged, and not afterwards. Classic Star Trek: The City on the Edge of Forever - YouTube [–]philwelchCommander[S] 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago* (20 children). The way I see it, the same phenomenon that allows kirk and spock to have already been in the past with Edith before they ever went there is the same one that accepts they aren't there if they never end up going to the Guardian. They beckoned to me, sung to me in voices garbled but familiar. They would not be in 1930. City on the Edge of Forever. We cannot see time OR coexisting time streams because we don't have the ability to perceive those. Before the great resets, Red Atmos 3 held on its surface many wonders-but none so great as the City on the Edge of Forever. They never existed. Sister Edith Keeler was a female Human social worker in New York City, United States, in the 20th century. 01:49. Jewbilee. If you are looking for a more general Trek forum, we recommend /r/startrek. EDIT: Also, regarding the Borg, it's not impossible the cube at System J-25 wouldn't have been there without the Arctic Borg signal. Looking for more sci-fi discussion subreddits? By then, Keeler's past plays out as it was originally meant to be - with no intervention from McCoy or Kirk, she dies as scheduled. My light is then on in iteration 2. No insults, personal attacks, or general rudeness in the Daystrom Institute. In the abrams timeline, the crew never encounters the series of events to cause them to go through that themselves. The Daystrom Institute has built up a wealth of material in its years-long history, which you can read in our Previous Discussions pages. CBS LA - KCAL via Yahoo News But the alternate universe itself only exists due to time travel from the Prime universe! Furthermore, if we assume a true multiverse, then it is okay for cross-universe events to happen in some universes: You gotta remember that infinity means there will still be an infinite number of universes unaffected by those cross-universe events. The USS Defiant (Constitution class, NCC-1764) was thrown both back in time, and into the mirror universe. 01:49. Kirk and Spock Prime traveled from the Prime universe into the shared history of the Prime and Alternate universes and returned back to Prime. It would also explain why agencies like the Temporal Integrity Commission or the DTI didn't interfere to undo the damage to the time line, as we've seen on screen numerous times, particularly in Voyager. If you assume that both universes have a common past, then you'd find Prime Kirk and Prime Spock in the 1930s by going back from the alternate universe. Known for her compassion and forward thinking, she sought to bring peace to the entire planet. In 1930, she ran a soup kitchen out of the Twenty-First Street Mission. [–]ademnusCommander 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (14 children). Lots of time theory revolves around the idea of parallel universes and that time travel itself fractures the existing universe into a new universe at the point when you travel through, but since it's an entirely whole new universe, you could exist in any one of the universes at any point in time. You start by becoming a Crewman and selecting your division by clicking the 'edit flair' link in the sidebar. [–]JViz 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (13 children). The premise of the Abrams movies is that a special form of time travel from the late 24th century, rather than changing the 23rd century of Kirk and Spock that we know and love from the original series, creates an alternate timeline where Kirk has no father, Spock has no emotional control, and the Vulcans have no planet. but that history must play by rules history should not have to. If indeed the universe itself seeks a sort of equilibrium, perhaps you'd find alternate kirk and spock playing out events differently with miss keeler. Thus, there are those that argue that the JJ-Trek universe split off from the Prime universe at some other point, well before Narada arrived. At the point that the temporal anomaly forms in the JJVerse to let the Narada pass through (even before it actually emerges, since the very existence of the anomaly diverted the Kelvin from it's normal routine) his head existed. [–]philwelchCommander[S] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child). So there's no "me" native to that timeline, just a foreign "me", who is a dick for killing my own grandfather. Events are already altered whether or not Edith Keeler survives. You are correct that the point that the timelines diverge is 2233. They still existed in another branch of the timeline. The higher ranks therefore indicate our most dedicated and productive members. Top News Videos for city on the edge of forever. No memes, jokes, and other shallow content. I feel the universe has to keep its own house tidy. What are the implications of the fact that the non-Starfleet Federation citizens are not bound by the Prime Directive? How did you do it? On a large enough scale, the two timelines are one causal loop, iterating back and forth through time. The unofficial subreddit for the discussion of No Man's Sky, a fantasy science-fiction game set in an infinite, procedurally-generated universe. Written by now-veteran sci fi author Harlan Ellison (with help from Roddenberry and his writing team), and directed by one of the original series' most consistently excellent directors - Joseph Pevney - COEF begins with the Enterprise being bombarded by meteors and Sulu knocked unconscious. While the jump in technology that Earth got from this brief glimpse at the technology from hundreds of years and a universe away, we got Kelvin, Enterprise, and Vengeance as we saw them in the JJ Abrams movies. Next 50 results. Skip to main content. I passed up ruins and detoured past ancient cave systems after that music, all for a chance to enter the city's edge. So in the alternate universe, I'm just some dick, and the man who would have been my grandfather is just some random guy whom I killed. Do not subscribe to this subreddit if you are avoiding spoilers. 98% Upvoted. In the original, Vulcan is there, and the various crews go on rip-roaring adventures together. Somehow, the combination of Guinan and Data hanging out with Mark Twain, Kirk falling in love with Edith Keeler, and Gary Seven Prime protecting the Earth from itself in the 1960's caused Khan Noonien Singh to turn out one way in the Prime universe and a totally different way in the alternate universe. Thus, there are those that argue that the JJ-Trek universe split off from the Prime universe at some other point, well before Narada arrived. This is interesting though because what if, as the temporal friction "erases" that version, we now get an alternate version of 1930 which plays out and results in events that prevent the Narada from going back, that would be a true paradox. [–]philwelchCommander[S] -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (15 children). Life avoided this place. "Star Trek: The Original Series" The City on the Edge of Forever (TV Episode 1967) cast and crew credits, including actors, actresses, directors, writers and more. The actual point of diverge between the Prime timeline and the JJverse timeline is the point furthest back where anyone past 2233 ever traveled back to (or, to make this even more complicated, the point furthest back that anyone at all every time traveled back to, as there could be secondary/tertiary/etc effects like Kirk not traveling back which would somehow influence someone else who would have traveled back not doing so, or someone who would not have traveled back now doing so, etc). In one universe he was genetically engineered from Spanish stock (perhaps by rogue fascist scientists in cahoots with Franco?) If this is your first time in this subreddit, please familiarize yourself with the full Code of Conduct before participating. The City on the Edge of Forever: The Original Teleplay - Kindle edition by Ellison, Harlan. 21:58. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8385Cy-o4yE, New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the NoMansSkyTheGame community. Answer me this as Im not familiar with the episode; what made the 24th century Borg go back in time? The Enterprise destroys the Borg, but not before they send a subspace message that will reach Borg space in the 24th century, just in time for them to start sending cubes to Sector 001. In the absence of thumbnails, subscribers rely on clear, concise titles to navigate effectively. No, not as a sentient agency but rather what belongs in its timeline is in its timeline, and what doesnt goes away. There is no protection from the void on Red Atmos, everything is exposed to the vacuum of space. Does the Prime Directive apply when a species does not have the means to ever develop Warp Drive? Scott takes the helm as Doctor McCoy is called to the bridge … selecting your division by clicking the 'edit flair' link in the sidebar, The City on the Edge of Forever, the Abramsverse, and a temporal paradox. Local Author Treats Supporters To Live Book Reading On The Sunset Strip. 50:42. Oh yeah, heh. I've been veering towards this theory. and join one of thousands of communities. History, as you are thinking of it, is a straight line from the past to the future. "City On The Edge Of Forever" See the stars from a million places Porcelain skin puts our faces entwined in time Never lost my way for you Felt it all around me Never gonna stop Never stop anything at all Repeat all that we do Let's start from the beginning The times we've lost can be repaired There's a clear-cut reason they wouldn't be: the only reason they went back to 1930 Earth is because they ran across the Guardian of Forever, and since their Prime selves don't exist in the Abramsverse, the chain of causality is broken since they can't go back anymore. For instance, according to Enterprise, the Borg attacked Earth in the 24th century because Borg from the 24th century time traveled back to the 22nd century and sent a signal that took 200 years to reach the Delta Quadrant. Directed by Joseph Pevney. If a single hydrogen atom time travels 2 seconds into the past and ends up in the vacuum of space far away from anything else, it still exerts an incredibly small but non-zero gravitational force on everything else in the universe--a gravitational force that wasn't there before. If you allow for travel back in time, you need to allow for effects to precede causes. You see, the events of Star Trek: Enterprise never happened in the Prime universe. But in Star Trek, people from the future go back and muck about with the past. The entire town is gearing up for the annual 4th of July celebration when a ban on fireworks is imposed. So here's the paradox: if you went to the Guardian of Forever in the alternate universe and went back to 1930 Earth, would you find Kirk Prime and Spock Prime there? The idea that the Narada crashed into a totally different universe next door...is possible, but then you miss out on all the fun of puzzling out this paradox. Report. That happened in Star Trek: First Contact. A freak accident leaves the South Park Elementary school bus teetering precariously on the edge of a cliff. This subreddit discusses both in-universe and real world perspectives and both canon and non-canon Star Trek. Download it once and read it on your Kindle device, PC, phones or tablets. When the Narada travels back in time, Prime Kirk and Prime Spock become (very) different people. Skip to main content.us. And yet, from inside my helmet I heard music and laughter from some unknown source. And there are still potential futures at that point wherein he might go back and lose his head. Users here are awarded special flairs for their contributions to the community. [–]New_User_4Crewman 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children). Posts which fall outside the Posting Guidelines which have not been approved by the Senior Staff—including meta threads—will be removed. 21:59. 2. Don't accuse others of trolling because you had a disagreement. Maybe WWIII itself was indirectly Gary Seven's fault. To me this is a good argument for why time travel is actually impossible, but not a good justification for how it would work if it were possible. [–]ademnusCommander 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (21 children). ;). Perhaps the Naraa is destroyed by the anomaly, maybe Soong's research isn't impacted by the Kelvin's destruction, the possibilities are (almost literally) endless. [–]philwelchCommander[S] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (25 children). They are two separate coexisting realities that do not share the same space-time. “The City on the Edge of Forever” Written by Harlan Ellison Directed by Joseph Pevney Season 1, Episode 28 Production episode 6149-28 Original air date: April 6, 1967 Stardate: unknown … That's why it branched off from the Prime universe in the first place, which would imply that it shares the same (altered) history, no? [–]philwelchCommander[S] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (13 children). It's possible that in Time Squared if future Picard had not been killed but still prevented from leaving the ship that he would have happily carried on as a second Picard (assuming the galaxy didn't have a big crunch from the sheer mass of awesome that would accrue). The Klingon die-hard thing is the only part of this that I'm not confident in, but since it appears that the Klingons also benefited from the infusion of future tech that Starfleet did, it's not impossible that they weren't able to find or develop the cure a few years before they're "supposed to." And the point in time where this timeline diverges from our own is when the Narada rampages into the past and blows up the USS Kelvin. City on the Edge of Forever, (Ciudad al borde de para siempre en Hispanoamérica, La ciudad al borde de la eternidad en España), es el 20 episodio de South Park correspondiente al séptimo capítulo de la segunda temporada. No Sphere Builders, or maybe different Sphere Builders entirely. [–]gsabramCrewman 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children). Maybe this is a tiny shred of the future potential the Q see in humanity, they'll be some of the first (after the Q themselves) to unlock that potential and transcend the limitations of space-time. [–]philwelchCommander[S] 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (23 children). And even had it not been, I feel confident that Q could have sent Enterprise-D wherever he wanted, even ask the way to the Delta Quadrant, to make his point to Picard. It seems like living things are able to exert a pressure of some kind on the multiverse, they seem to have a will to exist that can keep them and thing which traveled with them through time coherent even when they can't possibly exist. But, after the time-traveling whales I can see why they moved on to other stories for those movies. [–]ademnusCommander 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (1 child). [–]wayoverpaidEnsign 14 points15 points16 points 7 years ago (0 children). The alternate universe is potentially littered with debris from Prime Universe time travel--Ben Sisko is still Gabriel Bell, Data and Guinan are still in 19th century San Francisco, Prime Borg are still frozen in the 22nd century Arctic, and Gary Seven and his hilariously overpowered cat are still in the 60's. 06/17/1998. Enterprise made it seem like there was a whole lot of it. [–]ademnusCommander 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (24 children). The existence of the NX-class was due to the Enterprise-E crew's protection of Cochrane's first warp flight from interference by the Borg. [–]philwelchCommander[S] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (2 children). Promotions are earned through our Post of the Week. They're not just people from the future mucking with the past, they're people in the past mucking with the future. If Kirk or others never went there, the history would play out per the "original" version. 21:57. 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